Dad.
Hurry up, we're gonna be late for the game.
Dad.
Dad, come on!
I just went in and he was like that.
Did either of you notice anyone around the house today?
Anything unusual?
WOMAN: No.
Who would kill him?
James didn't have an enemy in the world.
That weird guy from down the street was here earlier.
WOMAN: What guy, honey?
GIRL: Charlie.
Daddy told him to go away,
and he called Daddy a name.
When did this happen?
I don't know, like, a few hours ago, I guess.
Do you know this guy, Mrs. Roberts?
Yes, Charlie Forsberg.
He lives with his mother a few houses down.
Have you had any problems with him before? No.
He just seems a little weird is all.
He wanders around the neighborhood.
He made James nervous. You said
you knew which house he lives in?
Rick.
Are you all right?
Is there anyone else in the house?
MAN: Hands in the air! Do it now!
There must be some mistake.
Charlie, tell them, please!
No!
STEVE: Charles Forsberg, ladies and gentlemen, took a claw hammer
to his neighbor's forehead.
Do we know the motive? Not yet.
Evidently, they did have words earlier that day,
but it's not clear what it was about.
PITTS: Forsberg has no priors.
He has no history of any trouble of any kind.
He pretty much kept to himself.
STEVE: Murder weapon was in his possession
at the time of his arrest, with the victim's blood on it.
Motive may not be all that important.
Juries always like to know the "why" behind the "how."
The police went in without a warrant?
They didn't need one.
They saw blood on the curb.
They heard someone cry out inside the structure,
then they went in.
They believed someone was at risk,
didn't have time for a warrant.
It's a clear exception.
Who did they hear inside?
The suspect's mother. Does any of this even matter?
I mean, the guy confessed, right?
As soon as
they got the cuffs on him,
he told the arresting officer that he killed James Roberts.
STEVE: Even with the confession
we still need to build a case.
What else do we know about this guy?
We know that he has an interest in unsolved crimes.
We searched his bedroom-- articles, you name it,
about two missing persons.
Danielle Minnick,
30-year-old real estate agent,
disappeared six months ago.
Kirsten Sullivan.
She's been missing for over a year.
14 years old.
I remember that one.
Her parents were all over
the news pleading for her return.
We were involved in both cases,
but we never had a prime suspect for either one.
Got one now.
It's not a crime to be a crime buff.
Any evidence of mental instability?
Other than smashing in a guy's head, none.
Unless you count the fact that he's
32 years old, and he still lives with his mother.
Ooh.
I can't imagine living with my mother.
Haven't you heard?
It's the new thing.
Stay at home as long as possible,
live off your parents, and save your money.
Can't beat the rent.
Or the cooking.
Oh, Danny,
say it isn't so.
I'm looking for a place.
Hey, law school was expensive.
What's up?
Charlie Forsberg has confessed
to the murder of Danielle Minnick,
the missing realtor.
This may be just the beginning.
We might have a serial killer on our hands.
He still waiving his right to counsel?
Somebody up there likes you.
Let's see how much.
Mr. Forsberg, I'm Annabeth Chase, I'm a deputy prosecutor.
I know you've already spoken to the police,
but can you tell me again why you killed Mr. Roberts?
Like I said before, he made me mad.
Do you kill everyone
who makes you mad?
Don't be stupid. What made you
so mad you wanted to kill him?
He wasn't nice to me.
That's why you killed him?
I was going for a walk, his daughter was playing soccer
in front of the house.
The ball rolled towards the street,
and I kicked it back to her.
Then I stood and watched her play for a second.
He said, "Keep moving."
Like I wasn't good enough to stand in front of his house.
Like he was better than me. Maybe he just
didn't like the way
you were looking at his little girl.
Hey!
I don't do that.
I'm not interested in kids.
That's sick.
So you left after he asked you to?
Yeah.
But I kept thinking about it.
About the way he looked at me.
Down at me.
I know that look.
What do you mean you know that look?
Nothing.
You were telling us about how Mr. Roberts made you mad,
so you went back to confront him, tell him off.
Is that what happened?
And then you got in a fight?
Nope.
I went back to kill him.
So did you argue with him?
Tell him what made you so mad?
I wasn't interested in talking to him.
Where'd you get the hammer?
My toolbox, obviously.
What about the real estate agent, Danielle Minnick?
She thought she was better than me, too.
I said hello to her once in line at the store,
and she didn't even turn around and look at me.
Acted like I was invisible.
You don't like being invisible, do you?
What about the stuff we found in your room?
I like reading about that stuff...
killing women.
PITTS: Yeah, sure.
It's interesting.
But it's more interesting when you're reading
about stuff you did, isn't it?
I mean, all that press,
police activity.
That must make you feel pretty important.
I guess.
You had articles
about Kirsten Sullivan's disappearance.
What can you tell us about her?
Like what?
PITTS: Like do you know
where she is?
Yep.
You know where that girl is?
Is she alive?
Come on, Charlie, you don't want
somebody else getting credit for that, do you?
I killed Kirsten, too.
Where is she?
Buried her where I told you to look for the realty lady,
out in North Hendrichs.
Guess people won't ignore you now, huh, Charlie?
There was no time to call for a warrant.
Because you heard someone cry out from inside the house? Right.
Imminent threat.
That's why we went in, Miss Scofield.
We had reason to believe
he'd already killed the guy in the greenhouse.
So when we heard the woman inside,
we couldn't take a chance.
And where was the blood outside the house?
There were several drops on the street near the house.
The lab confirmed it,
the blood was from the victim. Must have
come off the murder weapon when Charlie carried it home.
So this guy's going away, right?
I heard he ponied up for a couple other murders, too.
Case is solid.
Thanks to both of you,
looks like we've got a serial killer
off the street. Sometimes it does all work right.
Not often enough,
but, hey,
we take it when it comes.
Thank you.
Hi. Hi.
I heard Charlie confessed to killing Kirsten Sullivan.
Yeah.
I still don't get it though.
He goes from killing a teenager last year
to a young woman six months ago-- thank you--
and now a family man in his late 30s?
I mean, that's hardly the pattern of a serial killer.
Maybe he's an equal opportunity crazy.
State shrink says he's competent to stand trial.
Competent is one thing, crazy is another.
The only reason Charlie's given
is that his victims weren't nice to him.
That doesn't track.
Somebody pisses you off, maybe you kill them out of anger once.
But if you kill a second, third time,
you've got a better reason than just people being rude.
You kill that many times, you enjoy killing.
He sure enjoys confessing, I'll tell you that.
How'd it go with the police?
The reports line up on Charlie's arrest.
Add the evidence from the house to the confessions,
and we're in pretty good shape.
STEVE: Never count your chickens, ladies.
We've just received a motion
to suppress all the evidence from Charlie's house--
the blood, the weapon,
the research
on the other cases, all of it.
What? On what grounds?
No warrant.
His attorney is claiming illegal entry
and violation of search and seizure.
Who's his public defender?
Joseph Wright
has taken the case.
Of Wright, Holden and Schultz?
That's impressive.
Evidently, Charlie's mother hired him. But she's
the reason the police went in.
They heard her in distress inside the house.
Not according to Mom.
I will talk to Charlie's neighbors,
and see if I can nail down grounds
for the cops entering without a warrant.
Good idea.
Maybe somebody else heard Charlie's mom scream.
WRIGHT: Your Honor, there was no reason
for the police to enter that house
without first getting a warrant.
It's the same nonsense they used when they jumped OJ's wall.
They claimed he was at risk,
when in fact, he was their prime suspect,
and they just wanted in the house.
Your Honor, the arresting officers had every reason
to think someone was in danger in Charlie Forsberg's house.
Sir, I have a statement from Emily Forsberg,
the defendant's mother, claiming she made no noise whatsoever,
let alone scream
or cry out.
Okay, so the police would lie,
but his own mother wouldn't?
I couldn't put it better myself. Your Honor,
the officer found Mr. Forsberg
right next to the murder weapon,
which shows they were wholly justified in assuming
he posed a risk to anyone in that house,
not to mention the materials they found
relating to the other murders he's since confessed to.
But if the arrest was illegal,
they'd all be fruits from the same poisoned tree, Miss Chase.
Exactly, sir.
Anything found in that house
should be deemed inadmissible at trial.
Please, what's next?
Do you want your client released?
As a matter of fact... JUDGE: Forget it, Mr. Wright.
Your client's not going anywhere.
But I will take
the suppression motion under advisement.
You'd never guess, would you?
I'm sorry?
The house.
It pretty much looks the same
as all the other ones on the street.
You'd never guess that such a terrible person grew up there.
Did you know Charlie?
Oh, I've lived here over 20 years.
Everybody knows everybody.
He never was the friendliest fellow,
but I certainly didn't know
he was capable of murdering someone-- never.
I feel so sorry for Emily.
Poor thing, losing her husband so young and now this.
Were you home the morning of the murder?
Oh, yes.
I was baking banana bread when I saw the police outside.
Next thing I knew, one of the officers
was walking around back with his gun out.
The other one was kicking down the front door, just like TV.
I got so wound up, I burned my bread.
Did you say one of the officers was moving toward the back?
They didn't go in together?
No, uh, the one who kicked down the door,
uh, was shouting to her partner, and he went running back.
I'm surprised he could hear anything,
what with Mr. Hoggins next door
with his darn leaf blower running.
You know, I-I told the other lawyer all this.
Didn't he tell you?
What lawyer?
Well, the nice fellow.
He was very well dressed.
Uh, what was his name?
Mr. Wright, that was it.
Do you two work together?
Not exactly.
How'd the suppression hearing go?
ANNABETH: Unfortunately, the judge is taking it under advisement.
Let's just say I've had better days in court.
Don't shoot the messenger,
but I'm about to take your lousy day and make it disastrous.
What?
I think the police are lying.
You're kidding.
Wait, it gets worse.
The defense knows it,
and I think they can prove it.
????officers said
they heard someone cry out from inside the house.
Maybe they both did.
Not if Officer Abbott was where the neighbor said
and the leaf blower was running back here.
ANNABETH: They also said
they went in at the same time,
through the front door, in response to hearing Charlie's mother.
"And we both entered the house at that time."
That's not consistent with what the neighbor said, either.
And now that Wright knows it,
you can bet the judge does, too.
We could risk losing
all the evidence that was inside that house,
including the bloody murder weapon and the clippings
linking him to the murders of Danielle and Kirsten.
So do we believe the cops or the mother,
who said she did not cry out?
This is a woman who's been a widow for over 20 years,
and she still wears her wedding ring.
She's devoted her life
to the only thing she had left: her son.
Must be hard to face the possibility
that you raised a vicious killer.
I think denial is probably easier for her
than the pain of admitting failure as a parent.
So, what, you think this is all her fault somehow?
Nurture over nature?
No, but she might.
Well, she's obviously going to be
no help to us.
So can we win the case if the judge throws out
all the evidence from the house?
The lab results are back.
Charlie's footprints were found near the greenhouse,
so were several hairs and fibers from his jacket.
And we know that he argued with the victim earlier,
and we have the victim's blood
near Charlie's house. It's all circumstantial.
If we lose the hammer, and the victim's blood in the house,
it's not going to be easy.
Well, let's wait and see how bad the neighbor hurts us.
Hey. Looks like we found one of Charlie's victims.
Which one? Don't know yet.
Police just found a body up in the area
where he said he buried the two females.
Let's you and I go up there.
I want to make sure that the police are keeping the press
at bay, and I want to remind them what's at stake.
The evidence they find at or near the body
may be all we have to connect Charlie to the murders.
We still haven't been able
to put him with either Kirsten or Danielle.
Keep at it-- now that he's got a lawyer,
the confessions may be the next thing to be challenged.
This was the last picture we have of Kirsten.
She disappeared a month after this was taken.
She was 14.
Mr. and Mrs. Sullivan,
I am so sorry.
We never gave up hope.
All this time we kept thinking
we'd find her and bring her home.
It's the not knowing that's so hard.
Do you think they found her?
We won't know until they've had a chance
to run all the tests.
This Forsberg, this... thing
that killed our baby,
did he say why?
No, he didn't give a reason.
Did you know him or have any reason
to think Kirsten did?
No, certainly not.
We don't live near him.
I really can't imagine where he saw her.
We always tried to know where she was, who she was with.
Well, we are pushing hard on all fronts.
You can be certain of that.
And I'll let you know as soon as I hear anything more.
What do we got?
Female. Looks like she's been out here
about six, maybe eight months.
STEVE: Can you tell the age?
From the height and the pelvic width,
I'd say she's between
and 30.
That fits the description
of that real estate agent, Danielle.
So Kirsten's still out here somewhere.
We're expanding the search area, with this as our epicenter.
If anyone else is buried out here, we'll find them.
Your Honor, before you rule, may I be heard?
Go ahead.
I think it's important
that the court be aware that the police have located
the body of what appears to be Danielle Minnick.
They did so in the very area Charles Forsberg
claimed he buried her.
Your Honor, my client was fascinated by crime
and police investigations,
as indicated by the materials
which were illegally found in his room.
He did copious research on these unsolved cases,
and it was well-covered in the press at the time,
that the police were searching
that particular part of Hendrichs County.
So what are you saying?
He made a lucky guess
where the body could be found? Exactly.
ANNABETH: This is ridiculous.
He didn't merely tell us where to find her,
he confessed to killing her.
A confession on the heels of an illegal search.
Any confession my client made
should be thrown out as well.
Nice try, but not a chance, Counselor.
What he chose to tell the police after he was taken into custody,
is on him. I have a sworn statement from my client's mother,
stating that,
"Charlie often makes up stories and exaggerates things."
Right, anything else from Mommy?
Maybe she's the one with the vivid imagination.
Okay, you can both
save the song and dance for the trial.
Right now, the matter before us is the admissibility
of the evidence taken from the defendant's home
following his arrest.
The mother says she didn't call out.
The police say she did.
But the neighbors statement
directly contradicts the police reports.
Reports, which are, by the way,
carbon copies of each other.
I'm aware of that, Counselor.
Add the leaf blower into the mix, and...
quite frankly, I don't feel that I have reasonable certainty
that either officer heard anything inside that house.
While it pains me to do so, Miss Chase,
I must rule in favor of the defense
in this matter, and grant the motion to suppress
everything discovered inside the Forsberg house.
Your Honor, without the blood evidence, the murder weapon,
or the materials relating to the other crimes,
there is a real risk that a dangerous killer
could escape justice.
An alleged killer.
You'll have to make the case another way.
It's incumbent upon the State to err on the side of more,
rather than less protection
for potential abuses of the Fourth Amendment.
in the greenhouse murder with the evidence suppressed.
Not all of it,
just from inside the house.
We've still got
Charlie's footprints, fibers,
and hairnear the greenhouse,
and the blood on the curb near his house.
Which the defense will try to explain away.
So mostly what we have are Charlie's confessions.
STEVE: What about the body they found?
PITTS: The coroner did make a positive ID.
It is the real estate agent, Danielle.
Unfortunately, they couldn't find anything
at the gravesite to connect Charlie to the murder.
Nothing at all?
No hairs, no traceable fibers.
We do have this.
After she disappeared the police checked
security videos of stores
she was in that day.
Forsberg did see her.
That part of his confession checks out.
He was interviewed at the time along with everybody else
who was in the store... but he was never a suspect.
STEVE: Any luck in finding the body of the little girl
Charlie confessed to killing, uh, Kirsten?
Not yet.
We've expanded the search area
several hundred yards beyond where he said he put her.
So far, nothing.
Let's make her case a part
of this trial, as well.
Good.
Charlie's confessed to three killings.
We've got two bodies.
My guess is they'll find
a third body soon.
I think the jury will believe he killed Kirsten anyway,
even without the body.
ANNABETH: Ladies and gentlemen,
James Roberts and Danielle Minnick
were both brutally murdered by Charlie Forsberg.
James was a loving husband and father.
Danielle was 30.
She worked as a real estate agent and was preparing
for her Realtor's exam.
The body of Kirsten Sullivan has yet to be located,
but the defendant has also confessed to killing her.
Kirsten was only 14 years old.
There is no doubt that Charlie Forsberg
committed all of these murders.
In fact, you will hear him admit
to killing each one of these three people,
in cold blood, with no other reason
than he felt they weren't nice to him.
WRIGHT: And as you will see, the evidence is circumstantial
at best.
Ladies and gentlemen, you will also hear expert testimony
that these so-called confessions
were nothing more than my client's misguided attempts
to attract attention from authority figures.
The kind of attention
that he has never received
due to the tragic loss of his father
while he was still a young boy.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen,
my client needs help.
There is no doubt about that.
But that does not make him a killer.
ANNABETH: Loretta, why
did your dad tell Charlie to go away?
He was just standing there,
sort of staring.
He's kind of weird.
Objection.
Sustained.
Loretta try to just say
what happened that day, okay?
What happened the day your dad died?
Okay.
Daddy kept telling Charlie to go away.
I could tell Charlie and Daddy
were mad.
Is that okay?
Yes, that's fine, dear.
WRIGHT: I'm just going to ask you a couple of questions, all right?
Um, you said your daddy asked Charlie to go away.
Did-Did Charlie leave when your daddy asked him to?
Yeah. Did you see
Charlie come back after that,
or go in or out
of the greenhouse any time later that day?
No.
WRIGHT: No.
And where was the blood?
On the curb in front of the Forsberg house.
WRIGHT: In front of the
Forsberg house, really?
Because
from what I can tell, it's
at best, near the house.
ANNABETH: Your Honor, I'd say
he's leading the witness, but it's more like he's just
testifying himself.
Stick to asking questions, Counselor.
I'm sorry, Your Honor.
Officer, let me rephrase that.
Based on this evidence,
was the blood
directly in front of the house?
No.
So as far as you know, the killer
could have crossed the street here, or
gone into
a different house.
I suppose.
In fact, based on the evidence,
the killer could have gotten into a car
right here and driven away.
Isn't that so?
Yes.
Thank you.
Mr. Brown.
So, you did find evidence
that Mr. Forsberg had been there?
Yes, near the greenhouse, we found footprints as well
as several hair and fibers
that match those of the defendant.
Thank you.
We have heard testimony
that Mr. Forsberg occasionally
wandered around the neighborhood.
If he had been on the
Roberts' property at some other time,
is it possible
that he could have left these footprints and fibers
then? In fact, isn't it possible
he could have left them the day before the killing,
or, let's say, the day before that?
I suppose so.
Yes.
Were you the lead technical investigator at the sight where
Danielle Minnick's body was located?
Yes.
And did you discover any evidence
connecting my client to that victim?
No.
No?
No footprints, no fibers?
No.
So,
you discovered absolutely nothing
to suggest, let alone prove,
that she was killed by the defendant?
Except he told us where to find her body.
ANNABETH: So you went back to confront him,
tell him off, is that what happened?
No.
I went back to kill him.
ANNABETH: So did you argue with him?
Tell him what made you so mad?
CHARLIE: I wasn't interested in talking to him.
PITTS: Where'd you get the hammer?
My toolbox, obviously.
ANNABETH: And what about the woman, Danielle Minnick?
Why did you kill her?
She thought she was better than me, too.
I said hello to her in line at the store once,
and she didn't even turn around and look at me.
Acted like I was invisible.
Detective, is it unusual
for someone to confess to murder?
PITTS: I suppose.
It would make our job a lot easier.
Indeed, it would.
And in your experience,
would you say
it's also unusual
for a motive of, "People weren't very nice to me?"
Objection. Relevance.
Getting there, Your Honor.
I'll allow it.
I suppose.
It's usually a bit more specific.
I can't speak
to the pathology of Mr. Forsberg.
No. You can't.
WOMAN: I'm a clinical psychologist,
and I've been practicing for about 15 years.
And did you examine Mr. Forsberg?
I did.
And what was your determination, Doctor?
I think he suffers from a general social anxiety.
His history of leaving jobs, his
unusually close relationship with his mother--
all these things have rendered Charlie
incapable of normal social interaction.
WRIGHT: You know, I watched my client's confession,
and I have to say, he didn't seem under any undue stress.
In fact, he appeared calm, even relaxed.
How can that be?
That's because he adopted an identity finally.
Granted, it happens to be that of a killer,
but it gave him a persona to occupy,
whereas before, he effectively had none at all.
ANNABETH: Would you say Charlie
is a pathological liar?
No. He's
not incapable of telling the truth.
So, there is really
no reason to believe he lied
about killing these people, is there, Doctor?
All I can tell you is
that Charlie is capable of telling the truth.
I'll take that as a yes.
Doctor, being able to tell the truth is one thing, but in
your expert opinion, is it also
possible that this socially isolated individual
was actually enjoying
the intense attention he was getting?
Absolutely. And in fact,
despite these serious
accusations, might make a false confession?
Certainly.
He thought his life was meaningless.
That he was invisible.
This gave him an identity.
So the fact that he admitted
to these killings does not mean that he did them?
Not necessarily, that's correct.
Thank you.
Doctor, does it mean that he didn't kill them?
No.
That's also possible.
Thank you.
Counselor,
may we proceed?
Your Honor, I'd like to request a brief recess.
We'll reconvene in one hour.
What's going on?
That Sullivan girl turned up.
They found Kirsten.
God. Was she buried near Danielle
where Forsberg said?
Not even close.
She's right there.
We just got her back.
Do we have to do this now?
I think we do.
MAUREEN: Kirsten, you had a lot of people
very worried about you for a long time.
ANNABETH: Are you aware that a man is
on trial for your murder?
Yeah, I saw it on TV.
Where have you been all this time?
In Cameron's apartment.
MRS. SULLIVAN: You told us
you stopped seeing him.
Only 'cause you told me I had to.
He was 19.
She was
a baby.
Are you saying you haven't left
your boyfriend's apartment in the past year?
I'd go out at night sometimes
when nobody would notice.
Kirsten, we were sick with worry.
How could you let us think
( teary ): that you were dead this whole time?
I'm sorry.
Why did you come back now?
I saw somebody said he killed me on the news.
That was sort of too weird, and
Cameron and me broke up.
MAUREEN: I can't imagine
how she could put her parents through this.
I mean, running away is one thing, but this?
This-- It's just cruel.
I'm having the boyfriend arrested.
We're going to charge him with lying to the police,
as well as statutory rape.
Wright's been pushing hard
on the pathological liar angle.
This plays right into his hands.
Talk to the judge, see if
you can minimize the damage he can do with this news.
Your Honor, clearly this is grounds
for the immediate dismissal
of all charges against my client.
How do you figure that?
Because it proves what I've been arguing
all along.
He confessed to the murders for the attention.
Perhaps you're aware, one of the alleged victims is not dead?
Let's not get carried away, Mr. Wright. All
we know for sure is that he lied about killing Kirsten Sullivan.
I'll inform the jury the third murder charge has
been dropped, we'll proceed on the other two victims.
ANNABETH: And I would ask that you instruct
the defense not to introduce any further details pertaining
to Kirsten's return.
Allowing him to expand upon the basic facts
would be highly prejudicial, Your Honor.
That is outrageous, sir.
Her being alive goes to the heart of my defense.
The defense may
utilize this girl's return
any way it sees fit, within reason, Counselor.
Don't make a mockery of my court.
It'll be up to the jury
to decide homuch to weight it against everything else.
ANNABETH: Is she alive?
Come on, Charlie.
You don't want somebody else getting credit for that, do you?
Yeah.
I killed Kirsten, too.
PITTS: Where is she?
Buried in the same place I told you to look
for the realty lady, out in North Hendricks.
Your Honor, we call Kirsten Sullivan to the stand.
Would you please state your name for the record?
Kirsten Elizabeth Sullivan.
And are you the same Kirsten Sullivan who was reported
missing in January of last year?
Yes.
The defendant, Charlie Forsberg,
is currently on trial for your murder.
But the truth is that you chose
to leave home of your own free will,
and have, in fact, been living with your boyfriend
for the past 12 months, is that correct?
Yes.
Do you know Charles Forsberg?
No.
Have you ever seen him before?
No,
never.
Thank you.
And may I just say, it is delightful
to see you alive and well.
Nothing further.
Does the prosecution wish
to examine this witness?
No, Your Honor.
WRIGHT: Your Honor,
the defense rests.
Very well.
We'll hear closing arguments Monday.
WOMAN ( over TV ): We're back, reporting live
from the Indianapolis courthouse,
where WPKW has learned of new...
How did it go?
As bad as you'd expect.
You-You could see it in the jurors faces.
Ray got to them.
If they really think
Charlie made it up, they could acquit.
You still have your closing. It's going
to be hard to unring this bell.
I mean, the verdict is a total crapshoot at this point.
Talk to Wright, maybe he's not at all
sure how the jury will go, either.
Let's see if we can
offer him a deal.
Charlie Forsberg murdered two people in cold blood.
Propose two counts of manslaughter, 24 years.
If he offers a reasonable counter,
it may be our best play here.
It's better than having him back on the street
in an acquittal.
Better for all of us.
Did you just see that?
I think I did. How could Kirsten
know Charlie's mother?
STEVE: Let's find out.
And, Annabeth, see if you can dig anything
out of Charlie about this.
Kirsten, how do you know Mrs. Forsberg?
Who's that?
She is the mother of the man on trial.
You hugged her outside of court yesterday.
Oh, yeah.
She always just told us her to call her Emily.
I didn't know she was that guy's mom.
She was sometimes
like a tutor outside school.
And that's the only time you saw her?
After school?
Yeah.
Once, when I missed the late bus, she gave me a ride home.
I'm prepared to reduce the charge
to two counts
of manslaughter.
He serves 24 years.
Well, you must be joking,
because you have absolutely no evidence
that my client killed Danielle Minnick.
But we all know he killed James Roberts,
and the jury just heard him
confess to killing Danielle.
He could get life.
Or he could walk,
because we both know what those confessions are worth now.
I'll tell you what.
I'll go you halfway.
He does one count, eight years.
There was an argument,
it escalated, and Charlie
will admit to striking Mr. Roberts
in the heat of the moment.
And what about Danielle Minnick.
As with Kirsten Sullivan,
my client falsely took credit for her tragic death.
Tell me, Charlie, why did you lie about killing Kirsten?
You don't have to answer that.
Maybe I would have killed her if I had to.
Why would you have to?
Just would have.
But saying you killed a little girl,
I mean, you must have known
that would upset your mother even more.
Leave her out of this.
Okay, that's enough. Why? Were you trying to hurt her?
Is that what all this is about?
Hurting your mom?
Miss Chase, I said that's enough.
I would never hurt my mother.
Never.
ANNABETH: But you did.
Did you know she knew Kirsten?
She gave her a hug today
in the courthouse; it was very sweet.
That's a lie.
Charlie.
You're lying.
She wouldn't.
That girl just tried to take her away.
They all did. That is enough!
We are done here.
Thank you very much.
MAUREEN: Charlie's mother tutored
a couple afternoons a week at Kirsten's school.
After she disappeared,
the volunteer program was discontinued.
The parents wanted their kids to come straight home after school.
But Kirsten claims she never even met Charlie.
Doesn't mean he never saw her.
ANNABETH: I keep trying
to find a way to connect Charlie
to each of these victims.
But what if we're looking at this all wrong.
What if it wasn't Charlie's connection to these people
that was so important.
What if it was his mother's?
I think Charlie
became so attached to his mother
that he was unwilling to share her with anyone.
But Charlie didn't kill Kirsten.
No, but her disappearance could have given him the idea.
After Kirsten vanished, Mom was suddenly home more.
Charlie realized that if the people
that were coming between them were out of the picture,
he could have her all to himself again.
PITTS: Nah. I don't know.
What could her connection to James Roberts possibly be
other than just being a neighbor?
STEVE: Well, see if we can find out.
And let's look closer, see if we can find
a connection between the mother and the Realtor.
Mrs. Roberts, you told the police
that your husband and Mrs. Forsberg
were both interested in gardening?
That's right.
They loved it.
They spent hours fussing in that silly greenhouse.
They were even talking about taking a class
at the community college on the weekends.
James lost both his parents years ago.
It was sweet.
I got Danielle Minnick's real estate report.
And?
The Forsberg house was up for sale when she disappeared.
She wasn't the selling agent,
but the property was on her regular caravan.
That's why we didn't catch it sooner.
And?
And, one of her clients
made an offer, but the financing fell through.
A week later the house was taken off the market.
Why didn't you tell the police
that you were planning to move six months ago?
I didn't think it was important.
I mean, I thought about moving to Arizona
to be closer to my sister,
but Charlie was so upset about it.
He refused to even look for his own place.
I felt awful.
I just didn't want to push it.
Danielle frequently brought perspective buyers to the house.
She was killed not long after preparing an offer
for one of them. Yes.
And you and James Roberts
spent time gardening
and were talking about taking a weekend class together.
He was my neighbor and my friend.
I-I don't understand...
I believe your son targeted anyone he thought
threatened to take your attention away from him.
( laughs ): That is ridiculous.
After Kirsten disappeared,
you no longer had to spend time at the school.
Charlie lied about hurting Kirsten.
And he lied about the others too.
He just needs help is all.
Mrs. Forsberg,
I understand your impulse to protect your child.
I'm a mother too,
and I would do anything for my daughter.
But this is different.
You saw Charlie and the blood on the hammer
that he used to kill James that day.
Without your help,
there's a real possibility that your son could go free.
Charlie is my son.
He's all I have.
I want him to come home.
I don't think you do.
What is this?
Last month, Charlie made the final payment
on two cemetery plots.
One for him and one for you.
I already have a plot with my husband.
This isn't even at the same cemetery.
No, it isn't.
And that's a sign of just how strong his obsession is.
The only person that can come between
you and Charlie now, is you.
I believe Charlie
is so afraid of being abandoned by you,
of being left alone, that he could kill you next,
and himself as well,
to make sure that you'll never be apart.
Mrs. Forsberg,
you've created a version of events that explains them away.
I know you want to believe the best about your son,
but it's too late.
I need your help.
I need you to tell the truth.
The morning James was killed,
I heard Charlie come home.
The back door slammed.
And when I finally came into the room,
Charlie was standing there
with the hammer in his hand,
and it looked like it was covered with blood.
But the look in his eyes...
that's what startled me the most.
And did you gasp or cry out when you saw this?
Yes, I think I did.
Something came out of me.
And that's when the police entered?
( chokes up ): Yes.
I am so sorry.
I had no idea.
I did the best I could.
( softly ): The best I could.
Oh, Charlie.
I am so sorry.
JUDGE: Charles Forsberg,
for the murders of James Roberts and Danielle Minnick,
the State of Indiana sentences you
to two terms of life in prison
without the possibility of parole,
to be served consecutively.
Take the prisoner into custody.
It really is terrifying, isn't it?
What is?
Not knowing if you're doing it right,
or screwing everything up somehow.
The joys of parenthood, babe.
You really think it's all up to us how she turns out?
I don't know.
Well, thank God we're perfect parents.
( chuckles ): Yeah, right.
And I don't see that
serial killer look in her eye.
Little angel is never going to do anything wrong,
are you monkey?
Never, ever.
I'll remind you of that
the first time she tells you she hates you.
Or misses her curfew. Mm...
Or gets pregnant.
Hey.
None of that stuff is ever going to happen.
And if it does, we'll love her anyway.
It would be nice if she came
with an instruction manual, though, wouldn't it?
Yeah, but I think we're doing a pretty damn good job.
And maybe...
maybe we should try and have another one.
Just in case we mess this one up.
Shut up.
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